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Post by jad on May 23, 2015 6:09:06 GMT -8
I believe most of it is true basically only thing I find suspect was about the NFL license and 2k being part of the game.
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Post by LexMarston on May 23, 2015 8:32:00 GMT -8
One thing wrong and it has the ability to discredit the whole post. Don't think we're getting the NFL, despite the theories. All the paragraphs in the post were speaking off of information that had already been discovered, so it wouldn't have been difficult for someone to just look at those and create this.
Now, even if the post is disingenuous, that doesn't mean that parts of the post can't be true. In fact, I think some of them will be, which might be why Damon hasn't said anything about it. Hard to come out and say "well, some of it's true and some of it isn't," because then that brings more speculation as to what's true and what isn't.
We'll find out here soon enough.
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Post by daddyketchup on May 26, 2015 17:41:43 GMT -8
One more thing to add a bit of fuel to the fire. We know that Airship Images worked on some graphical assets for the game and we also know about their prior work with Microsoft. But what about the motion capture? The motion capture looks like it was done by a company called PhaseSpace: Check out @damongrow's Tweet: Note the sign behind the guy standing on his head... www.phasespace.com/downloads/phasespace_logo.jpgSeeing as how we were able to trace one of the companies that did contract work for JMF back to Microsoft, I figured I'd dig a bit and see if I could do the same for PhaseSpace: www.phasespace.com/downloads/About%20PhaseSpace.pdfFrom their list of clients: "The real time motion capture solution is used by game and production companies like Ubisoft, Harmonix, Eden Entertainment, Origami Digital and others for their own internal productions as well as for customers like ESPN, Microsoft, Bungie and others." Well, that certainly follows the pattern... Microsoft is a no-brainer but Bungie is also pretty interesting. They're most recently known for Destiny but, what were they doing before that? Only developing Microsoft's biggest first-party IP: Halo. Of course, this could all be just ANOTHER coincidence...
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Post by LexMarston on May 27, 2015 8:59:21 GMT -8
Yeah, not a lot of meat on that bone, but still a good find, daddyketchup. It's minor, but it's another connection to Microsoft.
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Post by giantblue76 on May 27, 2015 12:01:33 GMT -8
There is absolutely not going to be an NFL license for this game. Think about it. The NFL would not compete with its own game. They are all about Madden and that's all, they don't care about other games. We would have heard something by now as well. Gamers need to get past the NFL branding. If the immersion of the fictional league is there, it won't matter. As long as you can get attached to certain players and be deeply involved, it will all work out. Quite frankly, I don't see another game being licensed by the NFL ever again. EA has fucked that up for everyone. However, as long as we get realistic football, a deep, immersive, online franchise mode, lots of options and a great game of football, who cares?
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Post by daddyketchup on May 27, 2015 12:55:34 GMT -8
There is absolutely not going to be an NFL license for this game. Think about it. The NFL would not compete with its own game. They are all about Madden and that's all, they don't care about other games. We would have heard something by now as well. Gamers need to get past the NFL branding. If the immersion of the fictional league is there, it won't matter. As long as you can get attached to certain players and be deeply involved, it will all work out. Quite frankly, I don't see another game being licensed by the NFL ever again. EA has fucked that up for everyone. However, as long as we get realistic football, a deep, immersive, online franchise mode, lots of options and a great game of football, who cares? Point taken. However, if there's no NFL license then the OS post was bogus. If the OS post was bogus, there's no reason to believe Microsoft is involved. If we don't think Microsoft is involved, there's no reason to think there's a big $$$ publisher attached to this game. If there's no big $$$ publisher, we're probably dealing with a game developed by a small team with little experience. The NFL license isn't THAT important to me. This game having some $$$ and a legitimate dev team behind it is. If we find out that Damon Grow and Joe Montana are seriously at the head of this project, our expectations need to go waaaaayyyy down. I wouldn't expect a group of people who have never created a game that has made it to market to come in and create a fully-featured football game that will hold up against current and former competition. It's just not happening. The only game-dev experience on the team that we know of is Damon's ambitious but failed project from about a decade ago. That's not the kind of experience you want to have on your resume.
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Post by Zer on May 27, 2015 20:04:45 GMT -8
Don't think there's really room for much doubt that it's a small production. Or do people think that AAA games are made in startup incubators in SoMa? It's a startup. There's no license. Doesn't mean it can't be a fun game but it almost certainly won't meet the impossibly high expectations.
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Post by daddyketchup on May 28, 2015 1:47:16 GMT -8
It's a startup. There's no license. Doesn't mean it can't be a fun game but it almost certainly won't meet the impossibly high expectations. You're probably right about it being a startup. I'm hoping, probably against my best judgement, that you're not right. However, if this is just a startup, I think "fun game" may be setting the bar too high. Damon has been involved in a few startups in the past. To my knowledge, none of the companies still exist nor have they produced anything tangible. They seem to exist only as long as they're able to find investors then it's on to the next one. Their refusal to address the rumors is pretty damn dishonest, assuming they're not true. In a situation like this, omission is tantamount to lying. In fact, I'm a bit skeptical that the OS post wasn't just a plant on their behalf to drum up fake hype and get investors on board. If E3 passes, and the rumors are proven untrue, I don't think these guys deserve any of our money. I sincerely hope all this stuff I typed is 100% wrong and it makes me look like an idiot in 3 weeks. If it's not wrong, I'm checking out. Call me when the game (never) gets released.
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Post by gmanzer95 on May 28, 2015 4:23:15 GMT -8
It's a startup. There's no license. Doesn't mean it can't be a fun game but it almost certainly won't meet the impossibly high expectations. You're probably right about it being a startup. I'm hoping, probably against my best judgement, that you're not right. However, if this is just a startup, I think "fun game" may be setting the bar too high. Damon has been involved in a few startups in the past. To my knowledge, none of the companies still exist nor have they produced anything tangible. They seem to exist only as long as they're able to find investors then it's on to the next one. Their refusal to address the rumors is pretty damn dishonest, assuming they're not true. In a situation like this, omission is tantamount to lying. In fact, I'm a bit skeptical that the OS post wasn't just a plant on their behalf to drum up fake hype and get investors on board. If E3 passes, and the rumors are proven untrue, I don't think these guys deserve any of our money. I sincerely hope all this stuff I typed is 100% wrong and it makes me look like an idiot in 3 weeks. If it's not wrong, I'm checking out. Call me when the game (never) gets released. I agree if this ended up being completely off base from OS post and they come up to E3 podium with damn near nothing then I'll be out too lol I have no problem with unlicensed game but I will have a problem with then lying to us and feeding off the OS post (which at this point is a pure marketing strategy regardless if they Madd it or not, since they haven't decided to disassociate themselves from it) if this is purely a start up company and unlicensed I'll check the game out but I forsure wouldn't view it in the sand light as I do right now. And as a community we would all be fooling ourselves if we think this will top the beast that is Madden. A start up unlicensed football game on only xbox and pc will NOT beat EA and it simply wouldn't be the game we was waiting so long for. We are all waiting for a true other option to play a authentic replication of the sport and leauge we all love so much.. the NFL. In order for this game to be successful and bring competition back to this market and give gamers what they want this game NEED to be a great game and it has to be liscsened. Plain and simple we as a community will play unlicensed Game but casual gamers, little kids won't. It's because of that reason that this game would fail if it's unlicensed.
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Post by RedDeadRiot on May 28, 2015 6:11:00 GMT -8
I still think the gem of the OS post is them saying that this will be a driving force in MS's new push to drive console sales. There's an awful lot of traveling (Airship is in Europe, and Damons been there a few times) for it to be low budget. There are plenty of artists in the states they could use. We all knew MS is using Cross Platforming and W10 to try and drive it, and the easiest way for them to make cross platforming work is with first party titles because it allows them to build it from the ground up for cross, which is necessary to make it work imo.
A Xbox exclusive (console wise) football game would absolutely sell consoles if it was done properly. MS knows that, and they know that they are going to sink if they don't do something now.
It makes sense, we all know sense doesn't always turn into dollars but cents do. For as much shit MS has put me through the last decade ish, I have a weird sense of faith in THEM, if not Damon and Montana.
They wanted Halo and Gears to be driving forces, but they just don't have that kind of grasp on gamers anymore. They need fresh franchises. JMF would be the perfect one.
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Post by LexMarston on May 28, 2015 6:56:23 GMT -8
I think it's pretty unfair to discard the game as a consumer because you looked into a random post from a mystery user on a niche forum. Grow or Montana don't have to talk to us about that post at all. If it doesn't come straight from their mouth, you shouldn't 100% believe anything. I don't 100% believe Microsoft is behind this game, but I'd say I'm about 80% leaning towards yes they are. Just like I'm leaning 99.9% towards this having no NFL license, but we haven't heard any confirmation on that, so I can't fully discredit it yet.
Your expectations should be based on what they, they being the people involved in the game, show. Hopefully, they'll show something at E3, and we can go from there.
And like I said, that post can be bogus and still have things in it that are true. If it's indeed bogus, someone just looked at all the info that was out there and made guesses, and some of those guesses could be accurate. Which, again like I said, could be why Grow or Montana hasn't said anything about the post. Better to ignore it than say "Well, some of it's true and some of it's false. What's true and what's false we can't say." That just leads us back to square one, because we don't know what's authentic about the post, if anything.
Folks need to chill with the bold statements and just ride the wave. I find it hard to believe that anyone on this forum would pass on a new football game, even if it doesn't have the NFL. Support these things so that they can grow into the things you want them to be.
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Post by giantblue76 on May 28, 2015 10:30:07 GMT -8
I think it's pretty unfair to discard the game as a consumer because you looked into a random post from a mystery user on a niche forum. Grow or Montana don't have to talk to us about that post at all. If it doesn't come straight from their mouth, you shouldn't 100% believe anything. I don't 100% believe Microsoft is behind this game, but I'd say I'm about 80% leaning towards yes they are. Just like I'm leaning 99.9% towards this having no NFL license, but we haven't heard any confirmation on that, so I can't fully discredit it yet. Your expectations should be based on what they, they being the people involved in the game, show. Hopefully, they'll show something at E3, and we can go from there. And like I said, that post can be bogus and still have things in it that are true. If it's indeed bogus, someone just looked at all the info that was out there and made guesses, and some of those guesses could be accurate. Which, again like I said, could be why Grow or Montana hasn't said anything about the post. Better to ignore it than say "Well, some of it's true and some of it's false. What's true and what's false we can't say." That just leads us back to square one, because we don't know what's authentic about the post, if anything. Folks need to chill with the bold statements and just ride the wave. I find it hard to believe that anyone on this forum would pass on a new football game, even if it doesn't have the NFL. Support these things so that they can grow into the things you want them to be. You are right on the money with everything you said here. I never believed the OS post from day one. 2k is not involved with the game, nor do companies like 2k simply "lend out" tech. It's their code, they will not be selling their football code to another company. Secondly, there HAS to be a publisher with some money behind this game. The use of the mocap studio, the trip to the super bowl to demo the game, Joe Montana going to Microsoft, come on now. Plus, as others have state, airship images being involved. I couldn't be more excited for this game.
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Post by RedDeadRiot on May 28, 2015 11:46:16 GMT -8
I think it's pretty unfair to discard the game as a consumer because you looked into a random post from a mystery user on a niche forum. Grow or Montana don't have to talk to us about that post at all. If it doesn't come straight from their mouth, you shouldn't 100% believe anything. I don't 100% believe Microsoft is behind this game, but I'd say I'm about 80% leaning towards yes they are. Just like I'm leaning 99.9% towards this having no NFL license, but we haven't heard any confirmation on that, so I can't fully discredit it yet. Your expectations should be based on what they, they being the people involved in the game, show. Hopefully, they'll show something at E3, and we can go from there. And like I said, that post can be bogus and still have things in it that are true. If it's indeed bogus, someone just looked at all the info that was out there and made guesses, and some of those guesses could be accurate. Which, again like I said, could be why Grow or Montana hasn't said anything about the post. Better to ignore it than say "Well, some of it's true and some of it's false. What's true and what's false we can't say." That just leads us back to square one, because we don't know what's authentic about the post, if anything. Folks need to chill with the bold statements and just ride the wave. I find it hard to believe that anyone on this forum would pass on a new football game, even if it doesn't have the NFL. Support these things so that they can grow into the things you want them to be. Great takes boss. I think we'll get some more juice this weekend, and every weekend leading up to E3. Just a hunch.
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Post by daddyketchup on May 28, 2015 15:32:15 GMT -8
I think it's pretty unfair to discard the game as a consumer because you looked into a random post from a mystery user on a niche forum. Grow or Montana don't have to talk to us about that post at all. If it doesn't come straight from their mouth, you shouldn't 100% believe anything. I don't 100% believe Microsoft is behind this game, but I'd say I'm about 80% leaning towards yes they are. Just like I'm leaning 99.9% towards this having no NFL license, but we haven't heard any confirmation on that, so I can't fully discredit it yet. Your expectations should be based on what they, they being the people involved in the game, show. Hopefully, they'll show something at E3, and we can go from there. And like I said, that post can be bogus and still have things in it that are true. If it's indeed bogus, someone just looked at all the info that was out there and made guesses, and some of those guesses could be accurate. Which, again like I said, could be why Grow or Montana hasn't said anything about the post. Better to ignore it than say "Well, some of it's true and some of it's false. What's true and what's false we can't say." That just leads us back to square one, because we don't know what's authentic about the post, if anything. Folks need to chill with the bold statements and just ride the wave. I find it hard to believe that anyone on this forum would pass on a new football game, even if it doesn't have the NFL. Support these things so that they can grow into the things you want them to be. I'm not discarding the game as a "consumer." If the game is good, it's going to force my hand. I'll consume it. My concerns are about the hypothetical, but completely possible, scenario in which absolutely nothing in the post is true. If that's the case, they're lying by omission. No way around it. Damon Grow can confirm they're 100% not working with EA but gives a dodgy answer when asked the same question about 2K? C'mon, man... He knows the rumors. Joe Montana uses one of his bi-weekly tweets to make a basic observation about the size of Microsoft's campus? His tweets are promoting something 90% of the time. He's not a social tweeter. I doubt Joe Monfreakingtana was so taken aback by their campus that he innocently thought "I need to tweet about this." Of course, if there's any truth to the post, all my points are moot. Their silence can be justified. If it's not true, they're setting up false expectations. If our expectations should be based on what they've shown, our expectations should be nothing. Also, if past performance is in any way indicative of future results, having the expectation that this game will ever be released is probably too optimistic. Also, I'm having a hard time convincing myself that the post was made by a random troll who just happened to hit the mark on one thing. I think the 2K portion is just as unlikely as the NFL license part. Damon had a chance to squash that and he chose to let it linger. If EA and 2K are both in no way involved, why can he confirm one but not the other? There's absolutely no reason for that. So, if the post got the Microsoft part AND the 2K part right (which sounds too absurd to be true), it makes it even harder for me to believe that it's just a troll with some lucky guesses. Sorry I keep ranting about this. Growing up, football games were by far my favorite genre and I pretty much stopped playing games altogether for a few years after exclusivity hit. I want this. Baaaaad. I just feel too conflicted about this to be too excited. Half of me thinks we're going to be blown away at E3. The other half smells a rat. I really hope that other half is wrong.
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Post by LexMarston on May 28, 2015 17:52:05 GMT -8
It's hard to say with the post because things can have varrying degrees of truth. We also don't know where Montana 16 is in development. 2K could be involved in a very, very minute way, but they don't want to give away anything like that so they're just not commenting on it. Then again, maybe they're not and Damon just doesn't feel like speaking on that. He doesn't owe it to anyone to speak on that, and I don't think that makes them shady for not speaking on it. When the time comes, they'll talk about everything. I highly doubt they'll just release the game without talking about anything or showing off the game at all. Will it release? I don't know. I don't think that "it probably won't," but only time will tell.
I understand your trepidation. It's certainly warranted.
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