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Post by gmanzer95 on May 20, 2015 17:10:37 GMT -8
that would be very indeed insane if joe montana himself posted that comment lmao. one thing I know for a fact this will be the most intresting E3 in YEARS lol the possibility of seeing this monopolized market fall and finally giving us gamers a choice to play multiple games is something we all should want.
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Post by daddyketchup on May 20, 2015 19:32:31 GMT -8
The one thing that leads me to believe that, if the Leak is accurate, nobody on the JMF team is behind it is that they kinda bad-mouth Xbox. I don't think they'd put the bit about it being unlikely that MS would win the console war in there.
To me, there's only two scenarios.
A: The post is true and they're intentionally hinting to "confirm" it.
B: The post is fake and they're intentionally hinting about it to try to keep interest up.
I'm leaning towards it being true. However, if it's not, I've got a major issue with the way they've handled this. They've obviously teased certain aspects of the rumor (2K and Microsoft). Joe Montana retweeting an image from the game with a 2K Sports logo photoshopped onto it? Damon confirming that he's "100% certain" they're not working with EA but saying "That's certainly uncertain" when asked if they're working with 2K? Joe Montana tweeting about being on the Microsoft campus (99% of Joe's tweets are him promoting something. Also, why the hell would Joe Montana be at Microsoft HQ? A public tour?) They're not stupid. They know they're fanning the flames.
At this point, there's just too much pointing towards it being true. Heck, gamers who aren't necessarily as in to football games as us are pretty much taking the Microsoft connection as a fact (communities like NeoGAF, for example). If the Leak got that part right, why shouldn't we believe the rest?
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Post by Omengod on May 20, 2015 19:47:19 GMT -8
How could the post not be true! Like others have said, why let this post shape your football game if its not true? And imagine the backlash this will cause by not dissociating with the post early on; yes it has helped market JM16 somewhat but its also caused high expectations! I laughed when I 1st read it and totally thought it was a troll mocking us sim gamers! It still seems too good to be true and maybe it is all true but embellished to the max. I want the best but I think we are in for a letdown of sorts?
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Post by gmanzer95 on May 20, 2015 20:06:43 GMT -8
The one thing that leads me to believe that, if the Leak is accurate, nobody on the JMF team is behind it is that they kinda bad-mouth Xbox. I don't think they'd put the bit about it being unlikely that MS would win the console war in there. To me, there's only two scenarios. A: The post is true and they're intentionally hinting to "confirm" it. B: The post is fake and they're intentionally hinting about it to try to keep interest up. I'm leaning towards it being true. However, if it's not, I've got a major issue with the way they've handled this. They've obviously teased certain aspects of the rumor (2K and Microsoft). Joe Montana retweeting an image from the game with a 2K Sports logo photoshopped onto it? Damon confirming that he's "100% certain" they're not working with EA but saying "That's certainly uncertain" when asked if they're working with 2K? Joe Montana tweeting about being on the Microsoft campus (99% of Joe's tweets are him promoting something. Also, why the hell would Joe Montana be at Microsoft HQ? A public tour?) They're not stupid. They know they're fanning the flames. At this point, there's just too much pointing towards it being true. Heck, gamers who aren't necessarily as in to football games as us are pretty much taking the Microsoft connection as a fact (communities like NeoGAF, for example). If the Leak got that part right, why shouldn't we believe the rest? If the post isn't true I'm going to go ahead bad say this now, they better disassociate themselves from it now and stop leading us on like you stated. Or this tactic of making their game more popular will competely backfire on them and completely anger the community. I personally don't have a problem if it's licensed or not but in order for this game to really be a true other option for football gamers they will want this to be an NFL sponsored game. And your right if the post has been correct so far then the rest should be dead on as well
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Post by gmanzer95 on May 20, 2015 20:08:18 GMT -8
How could the post not be true! Like others have said, why let this post shape your football game if its not true? And imagine the backlash this will cause by not dissociating with the post early on; yes it has helped market JM16 somewhat but its also caused high expectations! I laughed when I 1st read it and totally thought it was a troll mocking us sim gamers! It still seems to good to be true and maybe it is all true but embellished to the max. I want the best but I think we are in for a letdown of sorts? how bad of a letdown do you think we are in for ? Like gameplay wise ? Or presentation? Where do you forsee the game possibly falling short
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Post by Omengod on May 20, 2015 20:31:09 GMT -8
I think game play will possibly be the biggest let down. I think too much time was probably spent on other modes when the focus should have been on game play and franchise mode! I am not trying to down the game b4 it even gets here but the os post (if true) sets the bar to the max! I just dont want it to turn into another madden where its always, wait til next year! We have waited long enough and thats an understatement!
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Post by RedDeadRiot on May 20, 2015 20:46:06 GMT -8
I can't imagine gameplay being the least attractive portion of the game, I just can't. Number one complaint against Madden is gameplay. When you go into a ring with someone you know their weakness and you attack it. If JMF does anything right, I would put money on Gameplay over game modes.
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Post by ngeezy305 on May 21, 2015 3:57:17 GMT -8
I fully agree gameplay would be the last thing in my mind that they wouldn't get right. I believe they will nail this got to expose the weaknesses of your competitor got to come out the gate doing something that your competitor doesn't have or is not doing well
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Post by GeDDeN on May 21, 2015 6:34:05 GMT -8
yeah MOST of that OS post has all come true to this point! I can prove it too. But disclaimer, I'm 80% believing its true. And thanks to JediKnight for his video as I use some the thoughts and points he made and thanks too all the twitter heads for helping as well. I love and respect a number of people working on this game and having met the man and hung around him a number of times I have a profound respect for Mr. Montana. He's just a great person. But I disagree with how they're dealing with the public and how they plan to continue to do so. You just have no idea how long they're planning to drag even basic info out. Keep this in mind, he has PROFOUND RESPECT for JM and the team...I'm not on the team and I'm not under an NDA so I'm not under any obligation to keep anything I know a secret. There are some things going on that gamers need to know about now, and the way they've planned to do these things just isn't reasonable. What I'm about to tell you are things they literally only plan to tell you about 3-4 weeks before release and I'm sorry, you don't deserve to be strung along like that. Remember this guy is NOT on the team yet cares about the consumer??? REALLY.... A LOT of PS4 viewers on my videos and on youtube AND twitter are highly anticipating this game and are worried about buying a new console as they ask for confirmation of which system this game will be released. To me they knew these questions and problems would be coming and are trying to help potential customers adjust or prepare AND BUY. Think about it. I know you won't believe me, but I can assure you this is accurate, and in time you will see these truths unfold. I feel you need to know so you can prepare as a gamer (save up money, make arrangements and plans, etc). Here we are still trying to see if this game is real or not or if even this OS post is real. Another valid point.- First and foremost, this game will be for XBOX One and PC only. This is why they haven't mentioned platforms. They're taking early advantage of the Windows 10 cross-plat tech and the game will be out as part of 10's 3-month launch cycle in the middle of this year. Damon has ALREADY confirmed the game to be not PC only. Thats confirming PC and another platform. I revisited that animated gif and made a video about what I found. I found the XBONE on top of the chrome tab running in real time. I have found NO trace of anything PS4. The only thing sony related is that Damon follows Sony Entertainment on twitter.
Also the guys on twitter (Tarique) found that European company that is posted on this site under JMF Images I think. That company ONLY works on PC and MS games. Also Confirmed by Damon the faces are created NOT using scans. Thats the SAME technique used by that Company. Also Damon travel to Europe... What start up company has $$ like that?So now that you know, you can make plans to purchase an XBOX One or Windows 10 if you don't have one of them already. Telling people, now you know go buy an Xb1 is PURE PR Campaigning.... AND MS Campaigning about the PC. This tells me someone PROFESSIONAL wrote this or helped edit it. Someone that knows what they are doing.- The game is called Joe Montana NFL Football 16. This is an NFL game. First-party stipulations that the NFL has always left open & the NFL's exclusive relationship with Microsoft allows for Microsoft to have an NFL game. Microsoft Studios is the publisher. Microsoft is deadly serious about gaining ground and winning the console war (doubtful to happen at this point though) and throwing tons of money at incubation and trying to buy new IP that they can turn into big series' titles is top priority for them right now. They believe this game can be many times bigger than MLB The Show due to the larger NFL fanbase, and because so many XBOX One owners identify as serious NFL fans. The name of the game is JM NFL Football, I can see why keeping this game under wraps until E3 would be HUGE for MS, with other exclusive content MS could STEAL THE SHOW from Sony and Nintendo. IF JM16 is at E3. The xb1 is still WAAAY behind the ps4 in sales. SIDE NOTE: Nintendo is only alive right now because of their exclusives, if they relied heavily on 3rd party game ultimately nintendo fans like myself will have NOTHING to play. Therefore I know how important it is to have EXCLUSIVE content on your system. The PS4 and XB1 are basically the same... Only the games will separate the two and MS is KNOWN for having timed exclusive content for 3rd party games and just burning money to get it. Also MS NFL DEAL went for $300 MILLION. EA pays about $25-$30 million for the NFL License every year year. I read that back in 2008 or so. So $300 million and NO NFL game?? (Quote from VF) PLEASE... At this point all I need is confirmation. Stiff iffy though only cause they showed images and 3 second (cough cough lol) of teams without anything NFL.- The game was demoed and it went well. Actually, "well" is an understatement. People went crazy. NDA's were and still are in place for them. That's why you haven't heard anyone saying anything, but a lot of people are having a very hard time because what they seen was unbelievable and it's been impossible to go back to Madden or even take Madden seriously after that. It's like, how you felt when you had an NES and you saw Sega Genesis for the first time. The step up in quality is THAT big. Damon tweeted (not a quote) preparing, we are in the demo stages right now, around Superbowl time. I know for a fact building a game from the GROUND up will always outshine ported games. There's so many advancements that older engines and tech just can't match. Example the physics in Backbreaker. They were AMaZING after the patch, in fact that tech had SOOOO MUCH potential. It was LIGHT YEARS AHEAD of what many sports were doing at the time but we all know the game fell WAY short of the potential. Fast forward to Unreal 4 tech, and we have what the anonymous OS poster is describing. Not to mention EA does not put forth the effort of other companies as they work on much older tech and refuses to completely overhaul Madden. New AI, NEW ENGINE etc... I can EASILY see Madden as the fool in this when compared. I mean in one of my last videos I showed that. That moCap TEST vs A full game... The full game should win no contest, right? But nope. A model with one light source and black background, motion blur test animation BEATS madden... I believe the graphics in JM16 is CRUSH Madden. PLUS its rumored to be using DX16 tech... Which ALLOWS for cross Windows 10 and XB1 gameplay...- They put those things up on artforgames in hopes that you would find it, especially the NFL stuff. It took a little longer than initially thought, but you found them eventually, and when they saw you found it they took it all down just as they did when they realized people found their job posting last year. They already had their team in place, the posting was a bone. All of this has been staged well. I was the one who found this... Those images SAID Joe Montana NFL FOOTBALL AND stated, working on a NFL game.- They're not asking for ideas because it's an NFL game and they don't feel there is a lot of room for the type of creativity you'd need in an unlicensed game. When they first started out before iMFL they were considering a non-NFL licensed game and were going to approach dealing with the community differently with polls, a message board, etc. but things changed once NFL was confirmed. This one is IFFY because I've seen Damon tweet we want our feedback...- 2K is involved. Should be obvious from some tweets/re-tweets and comments both Joe Montana and Damon Grow have made. Some tech and manpower was purchased from 2K and is deeply incorporated into this game. This is iffy to me. 2k has publicly stated they have no involvement but HHG stated they have FORMER 2k devs. When MS posted job opening for their new sports studio, guys from the NFL 2k series was posted as hired but that was taken down so i can't prove that hince why this is iffy... i could understand that they have former NFL 2k guys working on a football game. Its not like 2k has a NFL game to work..... YET...- The franchise mode will be able to be managed on mobile devices and it's really deep. Damon and Joe had a interview about iMFL v v v read below v v v which was an app for your phone... In this interview he stated that second screen gaming is the future of gaming. I agree.- The iMFL app was never meant to be released. Its entire production was a prototyping run for its franchise mode and management system with the intent of using it in Joe Montana NFL Football 16. Even the TechCrunch interview was part of the staging. It was brilliant. Everybody bought the staging. So, don't wait for that app, it's never coming. Xb1 has a robust NFL fantasy football connection embedded in the console this would ideal as this interview was staged... Brilliant is right. - There are a few important modes. One is a story mode and it's pretty cool. Think NBA 2K My Player. That's what you're getting. Refer to my video about the single player mode (the images that Damon posted on twitter not to long)-The graphics, animations and AI are all obscenely good and modern. It looks like a game that was built for this new generation, not just a port over from last generation with a ton of sloppy tweaks. The animations are easily the most crisp of any sports game ever made. Comparing the animations to Madden, it's going make Madden look like a PS1 game by comparison. This is going to be embarrassing for EA Tiburon, like The Show Vs MLB 2K and NBA 2K vs NBA Live embarrassing. Spoke about this already and again MORE marketing.- Expect Joe Montana NFL Football 16 out in Mid-late July. This here is most telling, someone in the MS PR department edited or wrote this entire post. In all marketing reads, you educate, hype up and then tell people when you can expect it. Toooo much info for some random guy to know. And by now ALL should have been debunked already...I apologize to the team making this game and to Mr. Montana, but I feel that with just 4 months until release and a reveal schedule that really just strings everybody along unnecessarily, it was only right to tell people the truth so they can be prepared with enough time to act. Again, I'm deeply sorry but I know I'm doing the right thing.
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Post by RedDeadRiot on May 21, 2015 6:53:12 GMT -8
You hit all the points well there Gedden. Only qualm i have is with the 2K part.
It's not uncommon at all for developers to sub-contract artists. NBA 2K does a million things right. For all we know the tech they purchased could be the motion capping. I don't know how involved in the overall scenario 2K is. They're obviously not the publisher, or that would kill the NFL license angle. 2K doesn't develop games, they publish them. So having some tech and some employees (who are the people who know how to work the tech)isn't that surprising. JM retweeting the image could mean a million different things. And why not stir up the hornets nest a little bit? He knew retweeting that would get people talking about his game, and in the end he can say "We used 2K for Mo-Cap/blah blah and that's why I retweeted the image, I was insinuating nothing"
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Post by Jwest on May 21, 2015 7:23:27 GMT -8
Also thought HHG said old ea sports employees were on the team as well. If this is a Microsoft exclusive and has the nfl license, this will flip console war in America. Right now xbox is being outsold by sony in the US. This will most likely change that.
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Post by KingDavidGaming on May 21, 2015 9:53:09 GMT -8
Nail on the head, Gedden. That post has always seemed a tad too professional, and again I think when they mention 2K it's animations and former employees.
Jwest I think that is the entire point of this game. While it will compete with Madden, I think it's meant solely to help MS compete with Sony. You take a name like Joe Montana put it on a shiny new engine and possibly give it a NFL licence that'll move consoles. That'd make me highly consider buying an Xbox One, and I was one of the guys highly upset at Microsoft over the launch stuff.
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Post by imafnproblem15 on May 21, 2015 10:13:42 GMT -8
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Post by RedDeadRiot on May 21, 2015 10:23:17 GMT -8
What time zone champ? I'll put a tweet out, can't wait to tune in.
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Post by GeDDeN on May 22, 2015 6:56:12 GMT -8
You hit all the points well there Gedden. Only qualm i have is with the 2K part. It's not uncommon at all for developers to sub-contract artists. NBA 2K does a million things right. For all we know the tech they purchased could be the motion capping. I don't know how involved in the overall scenario 2K is. They're obviously not the publisher, or that would kill the NFL license angle. 2K doesn't develop games, they publish them. So having some tech and some employees (who are the people who know how to work the tech)isn't that surprising. JM retweeting the image could mean a million different things. And why not stir up the hornets nest a little bit? He knew retweeting that would get people talking about his game, and in the end he can say "We used 2K for Mo-Cap/blah blah and that's why I retweeted the image, I was insinuating nothing" GREAT points here!!
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